EMRFD Message Archive 13100
Message Date From Subject 13100 2016-09-02 19:19:18 w7zoi Publication Ends
Well, all things must come to an end, I guess.
In the past few days I've received some emails from folks commenting that they were not able to purchase EMRFD from ARRL. I knew that we were almost at the end of the last printing. I wrote to the staff at ARRL and got a confirmation that they shipped the final copy a while ago.
I still see copies listed on Amazon. Some other sources may still have a stock.
No additional printings are scheduled. Also, no second edition is planned.
Many thanks to all for your interest and support. There are no plans to shut this group down so long as there is continued interest.
13101 2016-09-02 19:28:29 Dana Myers Re: Publication Ends 13102 2016-09-02 19:38:18 Cecil Bayona Re: Publication Ends 13103 2016-09-02 20:47:33 Ashhar Farhan Re: Publication Ends As sad as it is, it is bizarre. For a book that has entirely redefined the science of amateur radio, that ARRL must have no plans for the book! I wonder what ARRL's mandate is.
In all such cases, those who are members of ARRL must petition the board to either release the book so other publishers can start printing them or look at newer technology options like on-demand printing from Amazon that will free them from any overheads of traditional printing and keep bringing them the royalty and revenues from the pubications.
I can see where this goes. As Gilmour of EFF said "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it". We will see more and more electronic copies of the book on the Net being circulated around without the royalties accruing to the authors. The book will live on, authors will not see any royalties.EMRFD is more than a book. Every circuit (with very rare exceptions, explicitly mentioned) has been personally build by the authors and meticulously documented. It freezes my mind to see the scope of this book. I can't even imagine how it could take just ten years of work to write it. It is easily one of the hardest book to be every written in amateur literature.- f
13104 2016-09-02 21:09:30 Phil Sittner Re: Publication Ends
It is a sad day indeed. The original Solid State Design sparked a real interest for me and EMRFD continued the stimulation. I'm glad that the group will still be active and some great stuff is brought up here. My hat's off to you, Rick and Bob for creating such a wonderful reference and providing great, ongoing support.
13105 2016-09-02 21:11:31 Leigh Turner Re: Publication Ends
Yes indeed an unbelievable and outrageous situation here; but on the other hand the ARRL sadly lost the plot long ago :-(
13106 2016-09-02 22:25:20 Ronan McAllister Re: Publication Ends Hello!A kind hello Wes and to countless others involved with the printed EMRFD and also, to this -- "afterlife".As a true amateur (licensed decades ago --unused for a long time, recently "reborn") -- I must say EMFRD (the inspirational book and this group) -- sparked new life into myself and my friends, my experiences difficult to quantify here, in short priceless.I'm truly lucky to have found this forum a mere two years or so ago -- after having found about it from a dear friend, and having bought the latest printed version. Reading, googling, networking -- it all comes back to EMRFD and friends (and the "soul" of the craft).With the caveat my glass tends to be over 50% full -- I see this announcement as a bit of an emotional loss, but as well an interesting path forward -- just my $.02, as I cannot muster this myself now: but imagine these EMRFD group exchanges/threads being "sanitized" to remove personal or off-topic content, names, emails -- containing only pertinent technical exchanges related to the soul of the book, following this group -- published optionally as an eBook "compendium", at a modest price above publishing/editing costs, with (if any) profits given to worthy related causes (ARRL, many others as well)?Just thinking....Cheers, and burn solder...Ronan/KB6NHQ 13107 2016-09-03 03:12:41 dx11 Re: Publication Ends
I do have a PDF version available, 230 MB. I think it’s the first issue. It is a scan in good but not super quality, but certainly usable.
I haven’t spread it around, I even bought my printed version after getting the pdf.
I strongly believe in copyright, credits and rewards should go to the people who made this magnificent book and to who made it available.
But now the book is out of print and may not be available against a reasonable price things may change. However, copyright remains copyright even when out of print as far as I know.
What is the opinion of the group about this?
13108 2016-09-03 03:21:24 i7swx Re: Publication Ends Hi Wes and All,
this is a bad news. I am a very happy and pleased owner of one of the first copies given to me, as a gift, from my good friend Bill Carver, W7AAZ.
For me is the homebrewer "Bible". It is bad to loose such a publication, hope it will be permitted to other to publish it again.
13109 2016-09-03 06:41:43 John Lawson Re: Publication Ends Cor.......I think you need to contact Wes DIRECTLY and the other authors, as well, as I believe they should make whatever decisions on whether the book should be available through pdf or in any other form NOT the folks on this group......John K5IRK
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13110 2016-09-03 07:51:11 AncelB Re: Publication Ends Wow, great book.
I guess IoT and SDR does claim the attention of those new to comms.
13111 2016-09-03 07:54:39 cwfingertalker Re: Publication Ends Wes,This is the first book I refer to when home building. Rest assured there are many copies sitting on book shelves all over the ham world that are as well read as mine.Maybe future "printings" could be in iBook form or electronic with new chapters or revisions.73. Bill N7EU 13112 2016-09-03 08:54:35 dxer67 Re: Publication Ends Dear all
Sad news, for me by far the best book for homebrewing. anyway many thaks for that nice job
13113 2016-09-03 08:55:45 Nigel Evans Re: Publication Ends CorIt is as pity the Amazon costs are so high. I have seen several people over the years saying they have more than one copy.I would be grateful to have sight of the PDF73 Nigel M0NDE 13114 2016-09-03 09:04:21 Rick Herndon Re: Publication Ends Wes & all,
When I find out that a book of any sort is out of print, I wonder what goes into the decision not to print any more. Is it just unit sales per time period? Does anyone know what made them decide to quit publishing this?
Rick Herndon K5FNI
13115 2016-09-03 11:23:00 kb1gmx Re: Publication Ends Wes,All good things end. The Radio Amateur Handbook, SSD and EMRFD are part of my large collection of engineering and experimenters books. More importantly over the years EMRFD has been the book tohave and have recommended as a must have, engineers I've worked with as a handy reference andwith new builders on the how and why. In the world of technical text EMRFD is an accomplishmentthat like its predecessors will live long past publication.From where I sit there is always one question.... What comes next?I say that after many decades professionally and more prior as hobbyist in most every corner of electronicswhere its expanse seems greater and deeper. Electronics is a big field and seems to grow rather than shrink. So for me as both engineer and hobbyist electronics has been an exciting field and I look forward to learning more. After all its the art of science.Always looking forward.Allison 13116 2016-09-03 12:10:30 Mike Czuhajewski Re: Publication Ends A sad day indeed!
Thanks for the heads-up. I went to amazon.com and ordered what was
described as a used copy in excellent condition for slightly less than
the list price. (There were a lot more listed at well over list.) I
hope the vendor doesn't catch on and decide to cancel my order and
list it again for a lot more :-) And somewhere down the road, if it
turns out that there will be no other options available except buying
a used copy, I can pass it along (at cost or less, not more!) to
someone who wants one.
There is one used copy listed for $132.97, described as "Collectible -
Very Good" and part of the description says "From the store to your
door, why pay retail anymore?" Indeed, why pay retail if we can pay
several times retail :-)
My original copy won't be one of those things that they can "pry from
my cold, dead hands." By that time it will be so worn and beat up that
it will fall out of my cold, dead hands on it's own :-)
Wes, thanks for all your books over the years (SSD, IRFD and EMRFD).
13117 2016-09-03 13:12:25 Alberto I2PHD Re: Publication Ends While I am mostly a software man, I have both SSD and EMRFD books, and have used them extensively
in the course of my life. They have always been my reference to consult before starting to melt solder.
Thanks to Wes and the other authors for two very valuable books.
73 Alberto I2PHD
13118 2016-09-03 17:54:33 K5ESS Re: Publication Ends
Ham Radio Outlet still advertises them for $49.95 new. For now. Slightly better than $550. new from Amazon.
13120 2016-09-04 04:10:32 Will Kimber Re: Publication Ends Hi All,
Does the ARRL have all the world wide rights or does Wes, W7ZOI and the
other authors retain some rights?
If they retain some rights for other counties perhaps they could be
persuaded to use something like 'publish on demand' for royalties or PDF
distribution but PDF that would not bring much in royalties as it would
be copied to other sites almost immediately.
13123 2016-09-04 07:05:16 dan_halbert Re: Publication Ends >Does the ARRL have all the world wide rights or does Wes, W7ZOI and the
other authors retain some rights?
This gets to the heart of the matter. Depending on the contract ARRL has with the original authors, print-on-demand paper books or e-books for publications that would otherwise be out of print may be possible. Print-on-demand services are readily available.Contacting ARRL HQ and/or your local Division Director would get us more information. I suspect it may be a constraint on time and resources at ARRL that is preventing such an initiative, rather than policy, especially for print-on-demand, which does not alter the form of the original publication. There is some discussion here: http://www.arrl.org/copyright .Dan, KB1RT
13125 2016-09-04 07:36:26 Graham Re: Publication Ends The ARRL has for some time been using Lulu i.e. lulu.com to publish a
number of VHF, Microwave, and Digital conference proceedings plus a
handfull of other publications. Go to lulu.com and search for ARRL -
there are 34 listings at the moment. These are all print on demand books
You will also find Frank Harris's Crystal Sets to Sideband in various
formats including eBook, softcover and hardcover.
It would be nice if organizations such as the ARRL started to use the
like of Lulu to make available publications they no longer wish to print
and stock but would still like to make available to those so interested.
I do not purchase from ARRL directly as their shipping is far too
expensive to Canada. I have purchased nearly all of the conference
proceedings from lulu however, shipping is reasonable and they often
have specials on prices and shipping plus they have a fast turn around
If you look hard enough and peer under enough rocks on the internet you
can find digital copies of just about anything. I still prefer printed
books, my monitor gets awful messy when I make notes alone text book
borders in electronic texts ;)
Cheers, Graham ve3gtc
On 2016-09-04 11:10, Will Kimber firstname.lastname@example.org [emrfd] wrote:
> Hi All,
> Does the ARRL have all the world wide rights or does Wes, W7ZOI and the
> other authors retain some rights?
> If they retain some rights for other counties perhaps they could be
> persuaded to use something like 'publish on demand' for royalties or PDF
> distribution but PDF that would not bring much in royalties as it would
> be copied to other sites almost immediately.
13126 2016-09-04 08:16:08 Jim Leslie Re: Publication Ends It's probably hard for a non-ham to grasp how a book could have such an impact on a person. But EMRFD is such
a book to me and is my most used reference in my collection. I have learned so much from it.
It is unfortunate for any current RF enthusiasts and future hams that books of this caliber are becoming
hard to find. Like many, I can't see the ARRL decision to cease it's publication. Licensed for 50+ years,
understanding of how radios work has always been important to me. EMRFD as well as this group has
helped me so much in that regard.
Thanks to Wes, Rick and Bob for such a tremendous contribution to the craft.
13128 2016-09-04 10:39:41 David Bamford Re: Publication Ends Just a newbie question, I have SSD and EMRFD but what is IRFD.
(Just putting my hand up for the kids in class that are too shy - ha, ha.)
13129 2016-09-04 10:44:00 Ashhar Farhan Re: Publication Ends The IRFD is Introduction to RF Design. A more theoretically thorough text that deals with our everyday radio theory. It was written by Wes Hayward a long time ago. It doesn't have any homebrew rig circuits. But it is a textbook and it does an amazingly condensed job of giving you a qrp-degree in radio design.- f 13133 2016-09-04 21:55:16 David J Nushardt Re: Publication Ends
Introduction to radio frequency design copyright 1994 - 2004 by the ARRL.
13136 2016-09-05 12:10:03 David Bamford Re: Publication Ends Thank you Farhan! I was able to find a used copy.DB 13158 2016-09-16 07:55:40 timshoppa Re: Publication Ends I happen to have two copies of EMRFD.After the first became extremely well worn from very frequent use, I bought the second copy a few years ago.Now they are both "extremely well worn".I hope to continue using both of my copies for several more decades!!!Thank you Wes, Rick, and Bob!Tim N3QE 13424 2017-01-01 14:55:15 w7zoi Re: Publication Ends Hi all,Well, here's one to kick off the new year.EMRFD is now available again. Details are on my web page including a direct link to the League site. What they are selling (no change in price) is a "classic edition." This means that there has been no change to the text. It's just a reprinting of the same thing. But there is one change that may appeal to a few. The CD that comes with the book now includes PDF versions of SSD and IRFD (Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur and Introduction to Radio Frequency Design.) The design software has been eliminated from the CD, but it is still available in the errata.I have not seen the classic edition, so I can't answer any questions. I first saw the ARRL posting this morning.Happy 2017 to all.73, Wesw7zoi 13425 2017-01-01 15:10:30 Lasse Moell Re: Publication Ends Great news Wes!Good to know that the books will live on...BTW I have all three and they are always on my desk :)Happy New Year!73/Lasse SM5GLC1 januari 2017 23:55:14 +01:00, skrev email@example.com [emrfd] :
Hi all,Well, here's one to kick off the new year.EMRFD is now available again. Details are on my web page including a direct link to the League site. What they are selling (no change in price) is a "classic edition." This means that there has been no change to the text. It's just a reprinting of the same thing. But there is one change that may appeal to a few. The CD that comes with the book now includes PDF versions of SSD and IRFD (Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur and Introduction to Radio Frequency Design.) The design software has been eliminated from the CD, but it is still available in the errata.I have not seen the classic edition, so I can't answer any questions. I first saw the ARRL posting this morning.Happy 2017 to all.73, Wesw7zoi
13426 2017-01-01 15:49:30 jwolczanski Re: Publication Ends I ordered mine!
Happy New Year to all and thanks to everyone who made this happen
13427 2017-01-01 16:00:34 Dana Myers Re: Publication Ends 13428 2017-01-01 16:15:21 Dave Nushardt Re: Publication Ends
Hi Wes,Happy New Year!
Wow Nice going. Many Thanks to the folks at the ARRL!
73 Dave N9OOQ
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13429 2017-01-01 17:03:16 Will Kimber Re: Publication Ends
Happy New Year and with the republishing of your (and others) book.
Any idea if it will be retailed from booksellers overseas so that the postage cost won't be quite as high?Cheers,
13430 2017-01-01 17:42:52 Sudipta Ghose Re: Publication Ends Wes!They were giving two floppies with SSD.As usual the floppies corrupted with passage of time.Are those softwares included in floppies available in the CD?Kind Regards a nd 73,Sudipta GhoseVU2UT