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10407	2014-11-02 01:21:21	Weddig, Henning-C...	AW: AW: [emrfd] Losses in Diplexer?
from my own experience with a Q=3 diplexer @ 10.7 MHz: all values must be as precise as possible to tthe calculated values, especially the inductors to get the "coprrect" return loss AND Insertion loss of the diplexer. To achive this, a VNA is the best Instrument to check this! For higher Q´s the Problem might be more sensitive to tolerances ! Henning -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: planningpower@iprimus.com.au [emrfd] [mailto:emrfd@yahoogroups.com] Gesendet: So 02.11.2014 05:06 An: emrfd@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: AW: [emrfd] Losses in Diplexer? Q=10 is workable at frequencies up to about 10 or perhaps 15 MHz; at your 20 MHz it might be better, as others said, to drop the design Q to somewhere in the 1 - 5 range. Common "Jaycar" ceramics are usually reasonable Q; as Henning said, the inductors might be the problem. Try #2 (red) iron-powder for the inductors. The Q=10 diplexer in this 5 MHz mixer/amplifier/diplexer module has 0.4 dB loss; http://i57.tinypic.com/fummjd.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/fummjd.jpg Kerry VK2TIL.
10408	2014-11-02 01:38:05	kerrypwr	Re: AW: AW: [emrfd] Losses in Diplexer?
A VNA certainly helps; this is the Q=10 diplexer that I described earlier; http://i58.tinypic.com/311phdx.jpg http://i61.tinypic.com/97jypg.jpg Kerry VK2TIL.

from my own experience with a Q=3 diplexer @ 10.7 MHz:

all values must be as precise as possible to tthe calculated values, especially the inductors to get the "coprrect" return loss AND Insertion loss of the diplexer.

To achive this, a VNA is the best Instrument to check this!

For higher Q´s the Problem might be more sensitive to tolerances !

Henning

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: planningpower@iprimus.com.au [emrfd] [mailto:emrfd@yahoogroups.com]
Gesendet: So 02.11.2014 05:06
An: emrfd@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: AW: [emrfd] Losses in Diplexer?

Q=10 is workable at frequencies up to about 10 or perhaps 15 MHz; at your 20 MHz it might be better, as others said, to drop the design Q to somewhere in the 1 - 5 range.

Common "Jaycar" ceramics are usually reasonable Q; as Henning said, the inductors might be the problem.

Try #2 (red) iron-powder for the inductors.

The Q=10 diplexer in this 5 MHz mixer/amplifier/diplexer module has 0.4 dB loss;

http://i57.tinypic.com/fummjd.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/fummjd.jpg

Kerry VK2TIL.