EMRFD Message Archive 2194
Message Date From Subject 2194 2008-10-06 11:06:06 rcbuckiii Frequency Counter Calibration I was wondering what methods people were using for calibrating their
frequency counters. I know that the easiest method would be to
zero beat WWV at 10 MHz. That will probably get me within 100 Hz which
is probably sufficient for day to day operations.
But does anyone have any methods for achieving greater accuracy without
having to buy a $300 rubidium GPS frequency standard?
Ray
AB7HE2196 2008-10-06 13:21:35 wimmie262000 Re: Frequency Counter Calibration 2197 2008-10-06 13:21:37 Ian White GM3SEK Re: Frequency Counter Calibration rcbuckiii wrote:
>A GPS disciplined 10MHz oscillator, something like this:
>I was wondering what methods people were using for calibrating their
>frequency counters. I know that the easiest method would be to
>zero beat WWV at 10 MHz. That will probably get me within 100 Hz
>which
>is probably sufficient for day to day operations.
>But does anyone have any methods for achieving greater accuracy
>without
>having to buy a $300 rubidium GPS frequency standard?
http://www.ntms.org/files/n1jez_ntms.pdf
(more references on the last page).
--
73 from Ian GM3SEK 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB)
http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek2201 2008-10-06 19:07:31 rcbuckiii Re: Frequency Counter Calibration Joop,
Thanks for the link to the website. I downloaded and installed the
DL4YHF Spectrum Lab software. That will get me within 1 Hz resolution
which will be more than ample. And the cost is low enough, free!. I
have 2 frequency counters, a Simps2203 2008-10-07 07:26:50 Johan H. Bodin Re: Frequency Counter Calibration Ray,
Argo by I2PHD is another free software that lets you measure/compare frequencies
and it is much easier to use than Spectrum Lab (less levers and knobs :-) ).
Argo is just another FFT waterfall viewer but it is intended for QRSS (extremely
slow CW) so it has a good resolution, around 5 mHz (milli-Hz) or so. Assuming
that your soundcard clock is reasonably stable, Argo is a very nice tool for
accurate frequency measurements. For best absolute acuuracy, calibrate Argo at a
high frequency, say 2700Hz, and do the measurements at a low audio frequency,
200 or so, as this will minimize the contribution of soundcard clock error.
Argo can be found here: www.weaksignals.com
73
Johan SM6LKM
rcbuckiii skrev:
> Joop,
>
> Thanks for the link to the website. I downloaded and installed the
> DL4YHF Spectrum Lab software. That will get me within 1 Hz resolution
> which will be more than ample. And the cost is low enough, free!.2206 2008-10-07 09:04:00 Dave Re: Frequency Counter Calibration 2207 2008-10-07 12:29:01 Gary Johnson Re: Frequency Counter Calibration Here's another audible zero-beating trick. It requires a binaural receiver, that is, one with
access to I/Q outputs. I have an R2Pro, with modifications that allow it to work in binaural
mode. That's where I and Q go to your left and right ears, respectively. When a signal goes
thru zero beat, what you hear in headphones is a back-and-forth sweeping of sound.
Audible sweep frequency is the difference between your VFO and the received carrier. This
method works extremely well, down to difference freqs much less than 0.1 Hz. It's also
kind of trippy to listen to :-)
I found that it works quite well for comparing two carriers. To tweak my 10 MHz oscillator,
I tune near WWV, maybe 500 Hz off, so it's not at zero beat. Then, I couple in my oscillator
under test; sometimes, just a cliplead off of its connector radiates enough to be heard
clearly. When the oscillator = WWV, the audible beat takes off. You might even be able to
watch the effect by routing I and Q to X and Y2208 2008-10-07 18:27:29 rcbuckiii Re: Frequency Counter Calibration -- In emrfd@yahoogroups.com, "Johan H. Bodin"wrote:
>measure/compare frequencies
> Ray,
>
> Argo by I2PHD is another free software that lets you
> and it is much easier to use than Spectrum Lab (less levers andknobs :-) ).
> Argo is just another FFT waterfall viewer but it is intended forQRSS (extremely
> slow CW) so it has a good resolution, around 5 mHz (milli-Hz) orso. Assuming
> that your soundcard clock is reasonably stable, Argo is a very nicetool for
> accurate frequency measurements. For best absolute acuuracy,calibrate Argo at a
> high frequency, say 2700Hz, and do the measurements at a low audiofrequency,
> 200 or so, as this will minimize the contribution of soundcardclock error.
>Thanks Johan. I will download it and test it out.
> Argo can be found here: www.weaksignals.com
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
Ray
AB7HE2210 2008-10-07 19:36:49 Allison Parent Re: Frequency Counter Calibration 2211 2008-10-08 15:16:19 Alan Melia Re: Frequency Counter Calibration Hi Ray, It seems that some of the "old" techniques have been forgotten,
buried in 1950s vintage ARRL Hadbooks :-)
The technique is know as the three signal method. Beat the 10MHz from your
counter with the 10MHz WWV (we dont have HF standards broadcast in Europe
any longer) but put the BFO on. As you get close to zero beat the result is
a swelling and fading of the BFO note. This can easily allow calibration to
better than 0.1Hz at 10MHz. This is really only as far as it is worth going
because the random phase shift due to the ionospheric propagation will be
worse than that. The S-meter idea will work to some extent but is prone to
disruption from fading levels of the WWV signal, the three signal method is
not affected.
If you happen to have a local good standard then the way to do it easily is
to use a scope and trigger the scope from the standard, and time adjust the
display of the "unknown" for minimum "slip". Then by timing the phase slip
with a stop-watch it is possible to get calibrations to a few parts in 10^11
(if your standard are counter timebase are that stable) I have a 10MHz
source locked to a UK BC station at Driotwich (198kHz) whose frequency is
measured twice a day by NPL and posted to their web site. You can do the
same very easily with WWVB on 60kHz. The LF signals are much more phase
stable in daytime than the HF signals are. You may have to divide the 60kHz
down and do the comparison at 10Khz which can be a bit time consuming,
though there are ways round this.
Alan G3NYK
http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/freqmeas.htm2221 2008-10-09 18:41:33 jr_dakota Re: Frequency Counter Calibration I use Spectran to zero beat my Tentec RX320 to 10 Mhz WWV to within
less than 1 hz and then use the RX320 to calibrate my frequency
counters, DDS's etc. ... I do this every year in the Fall and will be
doing it again shortly .... I believe the procedure can be found on
the AMRAD website and should be adaptable to any receiver than can
tune to 1 Hz resolution .... A receiver with a 10 Hz resoluti