EMRFD Message Archive 13366
Message Date From Subject 13366 2016-12-17 16:58:23 bob_ledoux Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? There are some suggestions we move away from Yahoo. Such a move has serious ramifications.
The value of Yahoo EMRFD far and away exceeds the daily input of posts.
We have a library of more than 13,000 posts in thousands of threads, hundreds of files and pictures. This can be searched seeking answers to a wide variety of questions. This material expands the content contained in the EMRFD printed volume.
The more critical question is, "How can we retain this treasure trove of information if something happens to Yahoo?"
Yahoo is not the bright star it used to be. We might wake up some morning and find it gone.
13367 2016-12-17 17:42:14 Russell Shaw Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? 13368 2016-12-17 18:16:51 Cecil Bayona Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? 13369 2016-12-17 18:20:15 Graham / KE9H Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? 13377 2016-12-18 21:45:51 Eamon Egan Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? Yahoo's name is in the mud over yet more recently revealed security breaches, but I fail to see why we would want to migrate EMRFD out of Yahoo Groups just for this reason.No one needs to be exposed to any Yahoo related security risk simply by participating in this group. I have a Yahoo profile for using Yahoo groups, but I really don't care if it gets hacked because all the hacker will get is access to my precious selection of mostly ham related Yahoo groups. Some prize!Note to self: log in to my Yahoo profile and ensure any personal data in there e.g. birth date is not actually mine unless it needs to be.If anyone is using Yahoo email and is uncomfortable continuing using it, you have my sympathies, but that is another issue. You can easily enough make yourself a Gmail account and attach it to a Yahoo groups profile to continue using groups like EMRFD.Am I offbase or have I misunderstood anything here?73EamonVE2EGN or occasionally AB1NK 13380 2016-12-18 22:33:42 Todd F. Carney / ... Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available?
Eamon Egan firstname.lastname@example.org [emrfd]" wrote:<<
>> Yahoo's name is in the mud over yet more recently revealed security breaches, but I fail to see why we would want to migrate EMRFD out of Yahoo Groups just for this reason.
I think the concern is not so much with the security issue itself, but what implications that issue might have for Yahoo's long-term survivabilty. Add to that the fact that Yahoo Groups is not really a profit generator (hence the clunky interface and lousy search features) and it could be on the chopping block even if Yahoo in some form survives.
I have never really liked the Yahoo Groups interface and functions. The inability to insert photos in messages requires the awkward use of the Photos section or non-Yahoo hosting, and the fact that the files section can't be searched makes its value and use outside the context of a specific message thread almost nill--unless one wants to just start rooting around in the folders people create to stash their sometimes-random stuff.
There must be better venues for these kinds of interest groups. While Yahoo teeters on the brink of oblivion, maybe it's time to look.
13382 2016-12-19 04:36:09 ve3ghm Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? Actually, whether or not a Yahoo group allows attachments (i.e. pictures)
in messages is a configuration of the group itself. Many groups are
configured to allow attachments, others not.
Those that do not permit attachments require viewing on the "Yahoo" web
I prefer to allow attachments but there are still many users who prefer
not. One of the reasons often stated is that they use a dial up
connection and downloading images they do not want is a waste of time.
To each their own.
cheers, Graham ve3gtc
13383 2016-12-19 07:57:44 winston376 Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? Yahoo, and these forum pages, has become an advertising revenue generating medium. As such, my PC gets bombarded with animated videos, pop-ups and the like on better than 50 % of the page. Whenever I switch to the next message, same garbage. The process and associated delays are intentionally designed to expose the user to as many ads per page as possible. All the other yahoo groups have been affected similarly. Commensurate with these new ad campaigns, have been a precipitous decrease in member participation. I have migrated to facebook forums as a result. 13384 2016-12-19 09:12:00 Alberto I2PHD Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? 13385 2016-12-19 09:49:25 anglerhamming@out... Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? The Yahoo pages on my system are clean. I use Adblock Plus, Privacy Badger, and a hosts file with about 15,000 entries that block ad-serving web addresses from http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm. Even though that "winhelp" word implies that it is for use with Windows, I have it installed on Linux. I get very few ads if any at all on any website I visit. Privacy badger stops Google, Facebook and most of the data collection and tracking services.
13387 2016-12-19 12:39:21 Johan Bodin Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available? Exactly the same story here Alberto! I choose what I want to read
without any ad' interference. MAR (message-to-advertisment ratio) is at
least 80 dB with Thunderbird :-)
73 Johan SM6LKM
Alberto I2PHD email@example.com wrote:
> The remedy is simple.... do as I do... I _never_ read the group
> messages using the Web interface, which, advertising apart, I found
> very clumsy...
> All the messages of the umpteen Yahoo groups I subscribe to are sent
> to my POP3 Inbox, managed by Thunderbird, where they are sorted
> using the filter facility of Thunderbird, to the relevant folders...
> which, BTW, are easily searchable by Sender, Subject or body contents...
> So I have all the situation under control, can browse past messages (I
> have messages that date back to 2002...) even without being connected
13388 2016-12-19 14:46:11 Alberto I2PHD Re: Will EMRFD Data Library Remain Available?